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	<title>Comments on: Free market insurance is incompatible with knowledge</title>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Irving</title>
		<link>http://naml.us/blog/2009/08/insurance-and-knowledge#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I have itex+markdown enabled, and it seems like enjoy doing weird things to comments.  I'm not sure exactly why.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the correction; I agree that we were referring to the same basic trade-off.  The existence of such a number would seem to mean that it comes down to routine cost control.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I have itex+markdown enabled, and it seems like enjoy doing weird things to comments.  I&#8217;m not sure exactly why.</p>

<p>Thanks for the correction; I agree that we were referring to the same basic trade-off.  The existence of such a number would seem to mean that it comes down to routine cost control.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://naml.us/blog/2009/08/insurance-and-knowledge#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your blog software appears to support some interesting short-hand control characters for formatting...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://naml.us/blog/2009/08/insurance-and-knowledge#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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Also, it’s not always true that employee health insurance doesn’t come with options.  In my case, I have a choice between two plans that differ significantly in the coverage of out-of-network expenses.  The cost difference is around $100/month.  Since I’m fairly healthy, and assumed I would have no trouble picking in-network care, I went for the cheap one.
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&lt;p&gt;I think I very carefully said: "The trade-off they are given is usually about being subject to increasingly harsh regimes that control routine costs."  Now you seem to think that this decision primarily effects emergency care.  I disagree*, but I certainly wasn't saying that there weren't options.  I was referring to precisely the choice you mention.  &lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;In my experience, when the plan puts a price differential on in-network providers, there is a number that you call at the time of the emergency admission that eliminates the cost factor in that circumstance.  The purpose of the number is to identify to the insurance company the emergency nature and have them  sign-off on it--lest you sue later on for ambiguity.&lt;/li&gt;
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Also, it’s not always true that employee health insurance doesn’t come with options.  In my case, I have a choice between two plans that differ significantly in the coverage of out-of-network expenses.  The cost difference is around $100/month.  Since I’m fairly healthy, and assumed I would have no trouble picking in-network care, I went for the cheap one.
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<p>I think I very carefully said: &#8220;The trade-off they are given is usually about being subject to increasingly harsh regimes that control routine costs.&#8221;  Now you seem to think that this decision primarily effects emergency care.  I disagree*, but I certainly wasn&#8217;t saying that there weren&#8217;t options.  I was referring to precisely the choice you mention.  </p>

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<li>In my experience, when the plan puts a price differential on in-network providers, there is a number that you call at the time of the emergency admission that eliminates the cost factor in that circumstance.  The purpose of the number is to identify to the insurance company the emergency nature and have them  sign-off on it&#8211;lest you sue later on for ambiguity.</li>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Irving</title>
		<link>http://naml.us/blog/2009/08/insurance-and-knowledge#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Technically, you should say that most of us pay for health insurance as a mandatory employment benefit.  The fact that it's mandatory doesn't mean it isn't health insurance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, it's not always true that employee health insurance doesn't come with options.  In my case, I have a choice between two plans that differ significantly in the coverage of out-of-network expenses.  The cost difference is around $100/month.  Since I'm fairly healthy, and assumed I would have no trouble picking in-network care, I went for the cheap one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'd argue that the major actuarial difference between the two plans relates to emergency care, not routine care.  It's easy to choose an in-network primary care doctor, and not so easy to pick which hospital you end up at in an emergency.  As it happens, a few weeks after I made this choice I had to get to a hospital quickly.  Happily I ended up at an in-network hospital, though apparently we weren't sure of that when we picked it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'd say this option is essentially a penalty on people who expect to need frequent emergency care.  Admittedly, it's a penalty that calls for one of the world's smallest violins given the salaries of these particular "victims", but I imagine similar issues apply at other companies.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, you should say that most of us pay for health insurance as a mandatory employment benefit.  The fact that it&#8217;s mandatory doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t health insurance.</p>

<p>Also, it&#8217;s not always true that employee health insurance doesn&#8217;t come with options.  In my case, I have a choice between two plans that differ significantly in the coverage of out-of-network expenses.  The cost difference is around $100/month.  Since I&#8217;m fairly healthy, and assumed I would have no trouble picking in-network care, I went for the cheap one.</p>

<p>I&#8217;d argue that the major actuarial difference between the two plans relates to emergency care, not routine care.  It&#8217;s easy to choose an in-network primary care doctor, and not so easy to pick which hospital you end up at in an emergency.  As it happens, a few weeks after I made this choice I had to get to a hospital quickly.  Happily I ended up at an in-network hospital, though apparently we weren&#8217;t sure of that when we picked it.</p>

<p>I&#8217;d say this option is essentially a penalty on people who expect to need frequent emergency care.  Admittedly, it&#8217;s a penalty that calls for one of the world&#8217;s smallest violins given the salaries of these particular &#8220;victims&#8221;, but I imagine similar issues apply at other companies.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://naml.us/blog/2009/08/insurance-and-knowledge#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very very few people have health insurance.  No, many of us enjoy something different: an employment benefit.   This eliminates the selection effect.  Conversely the individual insurance market is small, volatile, and expensive.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Certainly this benefit has risk mitigation properties: much like a defined benefit pension plan does; but employees are not offered a trade-off between risk mitigation (health care) and risk taking (more $$$).  No, the trade-off they are given is usually about being subject to increasingly harsh regimes that control routine costs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very very few people have health insurance.  No, many of us enjoy something different: an employment benefit.   This eliminates the selection effect.  Conversely the individual insurance market is small, volatile, and expensive.</p>

<p>Certainly this benefit has risk mitigation properties: much like a defined benefit pension plan does; but employees are not offered a trade-off between risk mitigation (health care) and risk taking (more $$$).  No, the trade-off they are given is usually about being subject to increasingly harsh regimes that control routine costs.</p>
$).  No, the trade-off they are given is usually about being subject to increasingly harsh regimes that control routine costs.]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Irving</title>
		<link>http://naml.us/blog/2009/08/insurance-and-knowledge#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s a wonderful podcast.  Here’s a better link: &lt;a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/08/hear_too_much_information.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/08/hear_too_much_information.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I like the part where they hypothesize that one of the reasons this hasn’t destroyed the insurance industry already is that insurance is so messy and complicated.  I think that’s exactly right: if choosing between different insurance policies is confusing, it isn’t practical for individuals to carefully optimize their policy choices and thereby destroy the insurance industry.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s a wonderful podcast.  Here’s a better link: <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/08/hear_too_much_information.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/08/hear_too_much_information.html</a>.</p>

<p>I like the part where they hypothesize that one of the reasons this hasn’t destroyed the insurance industry already is that insurance is so messy and complicated.  I think that’s exactly right: if choosing between different insurance policies is confusing, it isn’t practical for individuals to carefully optimize their policy choices and thereby destroy the insurance industry.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://naml.us/blog/2009/08/insurance-and-knowledge#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NPR had a nice segment on information problems in health insurance towards the end of the "Planet Money" podcast for August 21st.  Not quite as precise but still an interesting explanation of this stuff.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately there's no permalink to that episode but you can dig it up via
http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast.php?id=510289&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPR had a nice segment on information problems in health insurance towards the end of the &#8220;Planet Money&#8221; podcast for August 21st.  Not quite as precise but still an interesting explanation of this stuff.</p>

<p>Unfortunately there&#8217;s no permalink to that episode but you can dig it up via
<a href="http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast.php?id=510289" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast.php?id=510289</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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